Over at the Aciste website, a commenter has observed, “It seems to me a distressing NDE could be the same as the nightmares we have when we dream. The soul projecting its fears.”
This points to one of the basic questions about NDEs in general, and their relationship to dreams. If a distressing NDE could be the same as a nightmare, then by the same token one could say—as many people have–that a pleasant NDE is the same as a happy dream, perhaps the soul’s projecting its hopes.
The response in either case is that the commonality between dream and NDE is limited: both occur during a period of unconsciousness, and both involve imaginal content, that is, content that is not consciously made up, deliberately imagined. That’s pretty much where the similarity stops, for whereas dreaming is a routine and necessary part of sleep for everyone, most NDEs and similar episodes are once-in-a-lifetime events that occur to a minority of people. Whereas the content of dreams is idiosyncratic and personal, NDEs tend to follow a loose pattern of similar elements–out-of-body experience, movement through space, intense emotional quality, and so on. Further, even strongly felt dreams miss the intensity factor of NDEs by several magnitudes; they rarely remain in memory the way NDEs do, typically for a lifetime, and they are not marked by transcendent content. More needs to be said about the dream/NDE imaginal connection, but that must wait for a later post.
Another factor, more difficult to address, is the extent, if any, to which people’s imaginal life (whether dreaming or NDE-like) is a projection of their ordinary mode of functioning in daily life. There is a widespread assumption that a person who has a distressing NDE must either have a guilt-and-fear-ridden past or operate from a state of persisting negativity, controlled by fears and anxieties which are then reflected by the NDE. However, distressing NDEs do not necessarily typify the general psychological or emotional modality of the individuals reporting the experience, many of whom have found great difficulty in reconciling the circumstances of their lives, beliefs, and behaviors with the content of their NDE.
Similarly, on the other side of the NDE world, it is clear from thousands of detailed experience accounts that people who have reported extremely pleasant NDEs had often not been functioning from a positive emotional base that would be expected to attract affirming experiences. Many glorious NDEs have been reported after suicide attempts and/or by individuals who say (supported by family members) that they were angry, repressed, fearful or hostile individuals whose lives were subsequently transformed by the event. The element of randomness in NDE types has not even begun to be studied.
In short, although every type of human experience is felt and interpreted through the filters of an individual’s existing conceptual framework, temperament, and memories, it seems clear that the explanation for any NDE type of event will be a good deal more complex than projection or simple dreaming–as if any dreaming were simple!
Mama's little angel says
Which brings us back to the goldfish…
nanbush says
LOL ! Hi, sweetie.
L. Suzanne Gordon says
I agree. Well said!
Nan Evans Bush says
Thanks, Suzanne. (Whew, that’s a relief! 🙂 )
Dave Woods says
In some dreams, if you want to call them that, your spirit can enter an alternate reality. You feel yourself truly THERE. You Know it’s you, your personality, feelings, and awareness. I’ve had a few where I’ve said to myself, WOW!, I’d better get out of here, and made a concious decision to wake up. I remember every one of these vividly.
I loved my father, but he was an alcoholic, and he could never truly be a father to me. I carried the inner sadness of this most of my life, buried so deep that I was out of contact with it, and yet, it was always there.
One night in a dream, I was in a back yard. The summer landscape went uphill. There were large bushes intermitently placed there, and it was in full technicolor. My Dad stepped out from behind a large bush.
He was wearing the wide brimed straw hat he always wore. He had no shirt on. He looked at me with love and acceptence in his eyes as if he were proud of me, and what I’d become as a spirit in life. All this was communicated in a single glance. no words were ever spoken.
He came walking toward me, slightly to my left. As he got closer he became gradually transparent, and faded away. It was like he was losing control of his presence, and then he was gone.
While this was happening, I heard myself yelling “Daddy Daddy!!”. From the center of my chest, The pain and sadness trapped there came surging up out of me. I awoke instantly from a deep sleep, as the event continued to come up out of me.
My Dad came back to help me. I’m now fully aware of what I’d surpressed for so long. Now I can sense this kind of pain in others. My inner sense of myself has expanded so that I just inwardly KNOW more of whats emotionally taking place in the world around me.
Dreaming??
nanbush says
The dreamwork literature often emphasizes the importance of this kind of Big Dream. They can be as memorable as an NDE, with very big messages or resolutions.
Dina Grutzendler says
Dear Nancy
Thanks for answering ( this was my comment in ACISTE, but in case you don´t read it, I also place it here in your site)
You are also right in many senses. Because dreams tend to be absurd and chaotic and don´t give deep messages , while NDE-s, wheter distressing or heavenly, do lead you to understandings for the growth of our soul.
Dina
nanbush says
Thanks, Dina. Yes, I do check in at the ACISTE site from time to time. Glad to have you here, too!