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Distressing NDEs as Scary Rites of Passage, #3

October 26, 2015 By Nan Bush 23 Comments

This is part #3 of what I presented at the 2015 IANDS conference, somewhat amplified by things I wish there had been time to say in San Antonio. If you missed the previous segments, you might want to scroll down to read the two posts below this.

We need a new post-Copernican viewpoint

Copernicus – Loss of stability. Are we safe?

It was six hundred years ago that Copernicus put forward his earth-demoting observation of the heliocentric solar system. It was not simply a great scientific discovery – it changed everything. We overlook the enormity of that shock to the people of the West –the destruction of their ancient and stable sense of How Things Work, their cosmos, their very earth, their central identity, their orderly universe governing orderly social conventions. Our thoughts and language show how we are still clutching at remnants of those more secure times, still struggling theologically, philosophically, and psychologically to adapt to this “new” reality.
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Tagged With: Copernicus, depth psychology, fundamentalism, IANDS, meaning, Nick Knisely, quantum mechanics, Richard Tarnas, Savannah Cox, spirituality

Side notes, Summer 2013

June 2, 2013 By Nan Bush 5 Comments

Not a major post this week, but a few side notes on happenings you may want to know about:

Two conferences, both on their East Coast site rotations:

IANDS

Aug 29 -Sept 1  Sheraton Crystal City  Arlington , VA

The annual IANDS conference has been a sort of Mecca for near-death experiencers for 25+ years. This year’s lineup of speakers is top-notch. I am not presenting this year (unrelated to the top-notch issue!), but will be offering some discussion opportunities.

http://www.iands.org/news/news/front-page-news/928-2013-conference-featured-speakers.html

ACISTE

Oct 3-5  Hilton Crystal City Arlington, VA

2nd annual conference on Therapeutic Issues of Spiritually Transformative Experiences. Bruce Greyson, MD, will be keynoter (reason enough to consider attending). I will be presenting on “Therapeutic Challenges of Distressing Near-Death Experiences.” Specifically directed to mental health professionals and ‘spiritual guidance counselors,’ this conference is sponsored by the American Center for the Integration of Spiritually Transformative Experiences (ACISTE).

http://www.aciste.org/

For experiencers with an interest in participating in a research study:

[Please note: The following notice is for your information only; it is not a recommendation. If you are in an emotionally or psychologically fragile state, consult with your therapist, physician, or spiritual director before undertaking any experiential probing.]

Joseph Dillard, LCSW, PhD, author of Fire From Heaven: Deep Listening to Near-Death Experiences and creator of Integral Deep Listening, is conducting a study on the effects of integral deep listening on people who have had stressful or frightening NDEs.

Even if your NDE occurred years ago, Dr. Dillard believes that it is possible to maximize the positives hidden in unpleasant aspects of NDEs while minimizing the residue of stress that such experiences can create.

Participation in his study is simple. While an hour Skype or Google Chat interview is preferable, Dr. Dillard can also send questionnaires by email. The hope is that your participation will help validate a new approach to helping to reduce the stress of those who have distressing NDEs.

You may contact Dr. Dillard at: 

 

Tagged With: ACISTE, Bruce Greyson, conferences, IANDS, integral listening, Joseph Dillard, Nancy Evans Bush

On the reality of near-death experiences

April 14, 2013 By Nan Bush 63 Comments

Here’s the latest thing to think about:

Are near-death experiences real? A  recent study at the University of Liège (Belgium) compared the characteristics of memories of near-death experience with those of memories after coma without NDE, and after both actual and imagined events. Although the samples were small, the findings are surprisingly strong. The memories of NDEs included significantly more detail, a greater sense of personal involvement, and far higher emotional content than any of the other memories, including those of actual events.

The researchers observe that NDEs have too many vivid characteristics to be considered imagined events; they acknowledge the NDEs as real perceptions. However, the research conclusion is that as the NDEs did not occur in reality,  they probably result from a physiological dysfunction and are actually hallucinatory.

An article at the website (IANDS.org) of the International Association for Near-Death Studies is entitled, “Study finds NDE memories are not of imagined events.” The author, who is not credited, describes the Liege study briefly and clearly, and responds:

The researchers’ conclusions are based on two assumptions that are inconsistent with other evidence from NDEs: (1) that the perceived events do not occur in reality and (2) that NDE phenomena are determined neurophysiologically. Therefore, other interpretations are possible.

The first assumption, that perceived events in an NDE do not occur in reality, is not consistent with the veridical [truthful] perceptions that are reported by NDErs. In fact, nearly all “apparently nonphysical veridical perceptions” (AVPs) are verified when checked. Janice Holden (2009) reported that of 93 veridical perception cases in the NDE literature, 92% were completely accurate, 6% were accurate with some errors and only one case was completely erroneous.

Furthermore, previously unknown veridical information received during the “transcendent” part of the NDE (e.g. meeting deceased relatives) is frequently later verified. For example, a man saw and interacted with an apparently deceased person and later found out the man was his biological father who had died in the holocaust (van Lommel, 2010, pp. 32-33).

You can read the entire IANDS article (it’s not long) here.

Regular readers of this blog will probably have guessed the direction my comments will take: We need some new vocabulary.

To believe that “NDE phenomena are determined neurophysiologically” is a logical assumption from within the prevailing materialistic view of most academic researchers and their audience. For anyone who has grown up surrounded only by the materialist worldview, that is a foregone conclusion. The only “real” there is, is physical.

Say that an NDE is occurring for an individual who is lying unconscious directly in front of us. The person is obviously, physically present, in the real world; we can see her. But whatever is going on with her is invisible; we cannot see what she is seeing, or measure or authenticate its events as observers. We are not part of what will later be reported; any landscapes or deceased family members are with her, not with us. Remember, “It’s all in your mind” means, “It isn’t real.” From the logical, materialist perspective, that NDE is by its nature unreal.

Ironically, something of the same thought process creeps into the arguments put forward by NDE experiencers and apologists who continue to report elements of near-death experience as if they were physically real. And so we get statements like, “a man saw and interacted with an apparently deceased person and later found out the man was his biological father.” This is how NDEs are reported, and how sympathetic researchers talk about them, as if they were physical events. 

Leaving aside the curious question of how one identifies a person as being “apparently deceased,” other than his looking like a zombie, the problem is simple: In common speech, a person/“a man” is a creature, a personality encased in a physical body. We can know an individual’s personality, but we cannot see it, for without a body it is invisible. We may intuit the existence of an individual’s spirit, untied to a body; but that is generally also invisible. A body, being physical, must inhabit some location in the time/space universe, where the only place currently known to be inhabited by bodies is either Earth or in a space capsule. And obviously, despite the movies, there is no known place on Earth populated by resurrected bodies.

It is my belief that the experiencer did not see a person; he did not interact with a man. What he saw was a meaningful image, a perception of a person. What he saw was not the physicality of his biological father but an image, a perception, a message–like a dream image but moreso, from a related neighborhood where symbol carries the weight of being.

That much is simple. What is not simple is the cry of the experiencer, “It was so real! It was realer than real!” And that is the way the experience registers. The far deeper problem is that we have no specialized vocabulary in which to express the reality of the non-physical “something” which he saw and with which he interacted in such a vividly memorable way that even materialist researchers recognize that it was clearly not imagined. Make no mistake: the “something” is phenomenologically real, though it has no corporal existence.

So researchers must logically reject the physicality of NDEs; yet we continue to contribute to the confusion by speaking of NDEs as if they were occurring on some physical plane, as if they relied on a kind of planetary travel. Until we can find a way to make the distinction, researchers will continue to believe, in all good faith, that NDEs must be hallucinatory, and family members and health care professionals will continue to believe that experiencers have suffered some physiological dysfunction. The least we can do, it seems to me, is to be meticulous about referring to the visual objects in NDEs as perceptions rather than as physical entities.

I am convinced that we do experiencers, the research, and the entire field of near-death studies a great disservice by speaking the language of materialism to discuss non-physical reality. Until we can do otherwise, we will continue to mislead ourselves and our hearers about how veridicality works, and where it is these experiences take place, and what they actually mean.

Tagged With: hallucination, IANDS, International Association for Near-Death Studies, phenomenologically real, physiological dysfunction, reality, University of Liège, unreal

Darkness, light, and near-death experience revisited

February 22, 2013 By Nan Bush 5 Comments

On the Wholeness of Darkness and Light

The essay below is being posted because it may be useful for newer readers. I wrote it in 1992 for the IANDS publication Vital Signs, so although regular readers of the blog will find nothing much new here, it may be of some mild historical interest. I have edited it slightly to remove anachronisms and simplify overly wordy writing.

A woman has written to say that she had heard about distressing near-death experiences at an IANDS conference. “It sounded weird,” she said. “Are these just nightmares?”

Well, the experiences appear to share something of the same space as the pleasurable NDEs, and they no doubt do sound weird; but then, so does just about everything in this field when looked at from the perspective of ordinary consciousness. Nevertheless, as we come closer to the fortieth anniversary of Raymond Moody’s first accounts of light-filled, love-filled, rapturous consciousness at the edge of death, it is clear that Life After Life touched a nerve that still quivers. [Read more…] about Darkness, light, and near-death experience revisited

Tagged With: as above so below, darkness, Francesco B. DeLeo, heaven, hell, IANDS, light, Vital Signs

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